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Transcript of our Interview with Annie Londonderry’s Great-Grandnephew Peter Zheutlin

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Mar 17, 2026
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Thank you again for being a member of our By Their Own Compass club. We are happy to share more links from our episode on Annie Londonderry (one of our most listened-to episodes!). We also have the full transcript of our interview with author Peter Zheutlin, who is Annie’s great-grandnephew and without whom Annie’s story probably would still be unknown to us. Enjoy!

Jeremiah and Sarah


Subjects discussed in this interview:

  • The 1993 letter that first alerted Peter’s family to Annie’s story

  • The Massachusetts State House, where Annie’s trip began in June 1894

  • Annie’s birth name (Cohen) and married name (Kopchovsky), and the genealogical challenges of tracing her descendants

  • Miraculously preserved lantern slides: glass projection slides, roughly two inches square, used for Annie’s lecture slideshows in the 1890s

  • The New York Times Overlooked obituary series, which featured Annie and helped prompt Peter’s wife Judy to encourage him to write Spin

  • The dress reform movement and Annie’s clothing evolution from Victorian skirts to bloomers to a men’s riding suit

  • The French press descriptions of Annie in masculine terms, including the “neutered third sex” characterisation

  • Did Annie go to Harvard Medical School?

  • Did Annie perform with Buffalo Bill’s Wild West show?

  • Was the $10,000 wager between two unnamed Boston merchants a real thing or another Annie invention?

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